How Wall Street Has Failed the Individual Investor
It is not at all clear how (or if) the investing public is going to recover from the 2008 plunge in equity markets following the ongoing plunge in home prices that began in 2006. Many were led to believe that, in a worst case scenario, stock appreciation and real estate appreciation would alternate indefinitely into the future.
If one went down, the other would go up.
If they both went up, well, that was a bonus.
No one thought too much about what it would feel like if they both went down.
About every other day now, another story comes my way about a friend or relative who says, "Yeah, I sold everything in October. I couldn't take it anymore".
It's not difficult to understand that decision making process. There are enough things in life for ordinary citizens to worry about that overcoming the "fight or flight" instinct that makes us all such lousy investors doesn't rise very high on the list. You have to wonder how they're handling it over at Money Magazine. The perma-bull staff has toned down their rhetoric in recent months as it became clear that no quick reversal was forthcoming. Last month's cover story was about keeping your money "safe" while you're waiting for the rebound. Unless somehow we see Dow 14,000 again sometime soon (or at least Dow 10,000), the mainstream financial media and Wall Street firms are going to have a lot to answer for as it becomes increasingly clear that the ownership society that has been thrust upon Americans has not produced the results that were expected. This well-done piece in the Wall Street Journal tells the story of how Wall Street has failed the individual investor, a concept that more and more people are beginning to realize. With retirement accounts tumbling and millions of homeowners struggling to pay their mortgages, a realization is dawning on many Americans: The banks, brokerage firms, insurance companies and other players in the financial-services industry have failed them. Thirty years ago, a typical consumer had a fixed-rate mortgage, a life-insurance policy, a bank account and an employer-paid pension plan. Nowadays, that same consumer may have a payment option adjustable-rate mortgage, a 401(k) retirement-savings plan, a home-equity line of credit and perhaps even a health-savings account instead of traditional employer-sponsored health insurance. In the process, risks previously borne by big banks and employers have been placed squarely on the shoulders of consumers. Individuals increasingly bear the risk of interest-rate fluctuations, rising health-care costs, stock-market gyrations and outliving their retirement savings. Adam Gamradt, 31 years old, of Bloomington, Minn., believes the market slide has created a great opportunity to buy stocks, but he contributes only enough to his employer's retirement-savings plan to get the full company match. That's because he is dismayed by the plan's pricey investment options and lack of information on total plan costs. "If I'm going to buy a BMW for anybody, it should be me," says Mr. Gamradt, an information-technology worker. "I wouldn't exactly say the financial-services industry is at war with your average American consumer, but it's d- close." Adam is not alone. There are a lot of really mad people out there.
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xsuddensam
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Nov 30 08:22 AM-
Vigilance
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Joyful Alternative
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Nov 30 08:44 AM-
raising4daughters
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Nov 30 08:46 AMThat said, Wall Street has failed us. Our money managers should (and I think will in the future) insist on a far greater payoff to investors.
The new statistic I'm watching is the Exec Comp / Dividend ratio. Too many companies have been paying hundreds of millions to its executives while paying no dividends to its owners. Heck, the dividend yield on the S&P 500 (supposedly Blue Chip stocks) got down to, what, 1%?
Wall Street money managers should've been demanding more.
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cash
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Nov 30 09:09 AM-
rjynand
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MikeLovesGold
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Nov 30 09:31 AM-
john s. gordon
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Nov 30 09:59 AM> jack
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Jimmy Lathrop
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Nov 30 10:11 AM-
Boubou
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Nov 30 10:13 AM"Long term you're looking at 9 to 11% pa "
" Cash and equivalents will leave you far behind in the race against inflation"
" A mutual fund is the best bet for the average investor and is bound to beat the limited skills and resources of any individual"
I have been a good dog and listened to all the bs.
I am now retiring with about 40% of the money I earned 1 hour at a time with my hands and head.
Mad ? I have never been so enraged.
People like me must stay clear of this game.
The will milk you throughout your working life and then till you die.
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xsuddensam
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Nov 30 10:27 AMUntil the criminals are rooted out, prosecuted and punished, no one should return to the stock market. Until investors are protected through meaningful and reasonable regulation under a watchful SEC armed with criminal sanctions against violaters, we should stay the hell out.
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Jimmy Lathrop
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Nov 30 10:35 AM-
subprimeswami
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Nov 30 10:45 AMdepreciaton of home values. Lack of oversite in financial markets caused derivitive cave ins hedge fund melt downs and collapsed finance companies,
Blame the congress that voted on all these regulations. Learn how the system does not work anymore. It is over run with lobbists and action groups with their own agenda. We can't afford to let the country fall off
a cliff because of greed and stupidity.
Our credibilty is now weakened and global financial companies don't trust our "base/bonus pay Mr fuld 500 million to run Lehman into the ground" mentality. The lending markets have frozen.
OUR FAULT
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axelrod608
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Nov 30 11:17 AMWhen I told a friend my story I discovered that he had been trading for decades, making money all along. I listened and learned and now trade with a discount broker - IB - and make all my own decisions other than the ones I pay for.with advisory services.
Full service brokerages and 401k managers are in it for THEIR profit, not the customer's. Anyone who's not in charge of his own accounts is a gambler, not an investor.
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Tom Armistead
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Nov 30 11:53 AMThe logical extension of this course of conduct was Paulson running around like a chicken with its head cut off, nationalizing and/or seizing and dismembering some businesses, propping others up, picking the winners and the losers, totally destabilizing the finacial system.
Wall Street operated with their normal efficiency and greed, what else is new?
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Joyful Alternative
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notsosmart
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econ_base
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User 271917
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carey_jim
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Nov 30 01:17 PMBut using ordinary rates of return above inflation (safe rate 3%, speculative rate 10%) it takes much longer than a few years to double your money.
With a 3% rate of return it takes about 23 years.
With a 10% rate of return it takes about 7 years.
With a 20% rate of return it takes about 4 years.
www.lazymanandmoney.co.../
Very few sane financial advisers think it is possible to make 20% per year (above inflation) without a lot of risk. Even 10% a year is considered risky.
And yet Treasury Bonds have not provided the safe, risk-free 3% return ABOVE inflation for many years so there has not even been a risk-free 3% above inflation rate available for years.
(In a well functioning economy you are supposed to be able to make no more or LESS than 3% RISK FREE above inflation according to Security Analysis by Graham and Dodd and other technical analysts.)
However, if you started by depositing $12,000 and SAVED $1000 per month for 20 years, at 3% compound monthly, you would have $350,000 at the end of the twenty years.
www.math.com/students/...
If you started with $12,000 and invested $1000 a month at only 6% compounded monthly you would have $500,000 at the end of 20 years.
The fact that for THIRTY YEARS there have NOT been any SAFE yields of 3% above inflation might be a major reason for the lack of savings in America and for the speculative bubbles of the last thirty years.
Americans have forgotten how to save and learned how to speculate for a reason.
If we enter a deflationary period which accompanies a historical decline of the American Empire, long standing habits will have to change but they will probably change slowly and with a lot of pain.
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anarchist
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Nov 30 02:08 PMOn Nov 30 12:34 PM notsosmart wrote:
> welcome to the wake up.the dumb - dumbs are finally waking up.i got
> out @ 14,000 dj not because im smart but because i got scared. this
> country exists on small print. the smaller the print the worse the
> deal.nobody is in your corner.think for yourself. the anal sts dont
> know anything & all have an agenda.the new motto on our monopoly
> money should be "too big to fail,too many to jail". i started to
> say that wall st was turning into vegas years ago.you lose slower
> & nobody brings you a drink. dumb- dumbs learned nothing from
> the s&l fiasco,the tech bubble,enron & world com.even now
> the scoundrels have their hands in your pocket.but the beer swillers
> are still filling the stadium(like rome long ago) & havent a
> clue. they cant name 3 supreme cout judges but know all the sport
> scores.soon they will be eating their granite counters.no accountability,ethics,...
> ceo's.selfserving boards, & papering the world with phony AAA
> worthless paper.sadly,this country is in decline.
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SHADuck
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Nov 30 02:27 PMnevertheless i did not diversify from pc related stocks, i never understood the financials. nor ibm/orcl well my p/f has only fallen 15-20 percent as a result.
i listened to Robert Kiyosaki's and made my money active and I listened to the Motley Fool NPR broadcast many times over to learn what was not taught in school
can we fight city hall?
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FRE
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Nov 30 03:46 PMThe "Fed" does, to a considerable, stabilize the money supply. Even with no government action, the money supply can shrink and expand, thereby exacerbating changes in the economy.
As for permitting corporate giants to fail, that is an issue which I do not wish to tackle. There are valid arguments on both sides of the issue.
I, for one, would not like to see the "Fed" abolished, even though it is far from perfect.
On Nov 30 08:39 AM Vigilance wrote:
> Good article, but the list of entities that have failed us did not
> include the worst ones of all: the federal government and its illegitimate
> creation, the Fed. Why don't we demand that the Fed stop watering
> down the lemonade by halting the creation of fiat money? In fact,
> why don't we demand that the Fed be abolished altogether. And it's
> about time we started letting unprofitable corporate giants fail
> instead of foisting their problems off on the already overburdened
> taxpayers.
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jhaus
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Nov 30 04:05 PMOn the bright side, by refusing to follow life's lessons, we now have an opportunity to relearn what so many of our ancestors knew:
<blockquote>You reap what you sow.</blockquote>...
As Stephen Covey asks us: Can you "forget" to plant in the spring, goof off all summer, and then hit the ground real hard in the fall to bring in the harvest?
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Jackson Cash
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Nov 30 04:53 PMIf you think this wasn't orchestrated think again. Same old tricks, same old outcome. Rich get richer, poor get poorer -- Ask the French.
Mark this post, the United States is now flight 93, only this time the pilot's have hijacked the vehicle under the old fashioned premise, "create the itch so that others pay you to scratch it -- the business may be dirty but the money is always clean -- let's roll.
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Jackson Cash
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Nov 30 05:08 PMYou do know that vast sums of "money" is being made by those shareholders don't you?
You do know that all the "money" you've ever made isn't even yours don't you?
You do know that those who own the currency own you don't you?
Put the pieces together my friend, you will soon be bludgeoned by the Fed that you speak so highly about -- last place in the soup line.
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Chancer
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Nov 30 06:01 PMAs long as the markets continue to be rigged as they are, small investors should stay out of stocks, and let the speculator/gamblers and big guys kill each other.
This really ends the idea of privatizing social security and the "ownership society."
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Eric W.
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Nov 30 07:18 PMWhat's new is that this is the biggest burn in history for individual investors.
If things happen to recover, there will be a huge wave of selling and purchase of tangibles; precious metals and land.
A LOT more money will be leaving Wall Street.
If they don't fix the wagon, there will be civil unrest for certain.
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irondoor91
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Nov 30 07:19 PMI know that's difficult to accept, but by now everybody has learned how easy it is to lose when all you are doing is "hopin' and prayin"
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fran
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Nov 30 08:42 PM1-a house is a place to live[before and after caves]
2-markets are unpredictable[since bartering began]
3-change is inevitable
our ancestors survived, so are we apt to do the same. the human spirit to struggle/survive/impro... has not changed.
all of this history before newspapers, radio, tv, etc.
WHO TOLD US HOW TO GET THIS FAR?
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User 271917
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Nov 30 09:13 PM