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2008 Commodity Performance
Crash Confidence Looks Bullish
OPEC and Production Cuts: Why Now's the Time to Buy
On Dec 02 08:34 AM yank wrote:
> ""Valuations might get better"-
> You have to be kidding right? RIG, NOV, and others are trading at
> P/Es of 3 or 4, with a PEG ratio of 0.3 It doesn't get any cheaper
> than that. Basically, these cos are being valued at $15 oil. As you
> say that will never happen. Yes sentiment is poor. But much of that
> is tied to the strong US dollar (USD). I cannot see the current rally
> in the USD as being sustainable. When it cracks oil prices will adjust
> upward.
White House says it's willing to consider use of TARP funds for automaker aid. (Reuters)
On Dec 12 09:43 AM Niner wrote:
> My question to you is. If the only difference between the US auto
> workers wages and the foriegn autoworkers wages is the retirement
> benefits paid to the retired US autoworkers wages, do you propose
> denying these people their retirements?
>
>
> On Dec 12 09:39 AM Shiv wrote:
White House says it's willing to consider use of TARP funds for automaker aid. (Reuters)
An unfunded pension plan is one funded by the EMPLOYERS current income as and when required by beneficiaries. It is very bad business as it pre-supposes growth in perpetuity; but most companies tend to put money towards future pension costs every year. GM's plan is massively underfunded; moreso now with its stock worth peppercorn. Social Security is a similar scheme which is hugely underfunded!
On Dec 12 10:20 AM Niner wrote:
>
> those currently retired Autoworkers are receiveing transfer payments
> just like Social Security. That is an unfunded pension liability.
> X amount of current wages are going to pay current retirees. I
> may be wrong on this but I don't think so. If current wages disappear
> through company closurer, retiree benefits disappear with them.
> Current retirees are then dumped into the Govt Orphan fund. Albeit
> it is at a reduced benefit. I have read the formula it would be
> considerably less but I can't quote it.
>
> Face it you and everyone else is still going to pay if they go out
> of business (US Auto makers). I think in the long run it woudl be
> cheaper to help them with a new start than to let them collapse and
> have to pay to clean up the mess.
>
>
> On Dec 12 10:06 AM Shiv wrote:
White House says it's willing to consider use of TARP funds for automaker aid. (Reuters)
And it is not just the Union. Management overpaid in the context of the industry norms should be slashed; top management even underpaid in the context of industry norms should be slashed as executive compensation in US has gone crazy over the years. And as Maya says, those dis-service financial service providers; they should be the first to ake significant cuts. For heavens sake a junior just starting out who knows little in terms of the real world gets compensated as an experienced and productive worker - just does not make sense.
I think the worth of an individual to an entity must be re-assessed in the context of what they contribute. There are lots of folks overpaid and even more underpaid. I liked the old WFMI policy where the top earner divided by the bottom earner could not exceed a certain multiple. I like Warren Buffets compensation. I do not like Thain's. Responsible management needs to replace management greed.
On Dec 12 09:43 AM Niner wrote:
> My question to you is. If the only difference between the US auto
> workers wages and the foriegn autoworkers wages is the retirement
> benefits paid to the retired US autoworkers wages, do you propose
> denying these people their retirements?
>
>
> On Dec 12 09:39 AM Shiv wrote:
White House says it's willing to consider use of TARP funds for automaker aid. (Reuters)
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On Dec 09 11:19 AM robert.b.ferguson wrote:
> Economic upheaval isn't all it's crcked up to be. Political instability,
> civil unrest and war could be show stoppers in emerging markets like
> India and China. I like Brazil at this juncture and recently took
> positions in (NETC) and (VIV) as they look to be poised for growth
> going forward.
Expect OPEC to Cut Production
Excess liquidity from financial investors is what drove oil prices up. Demand & Supply play a key role but when future demand expectation is unrealistic, the price rise (& subsequent fall) is damaging. I think the whole derivative space needs regulation so that risks undertaken by financial investors is responsible in the context of their capital. I think a financial investor transacting with a producer or with a user is fine; but for a financial investor to have a counter party who has no interest in the physical commodity is dangerous.
On Dec 08 10:25 AM Fred Banks wrote:
> Really good article and very good comments. Of course, the contention
> about the futures market was wrong. That market is NOT distorted
> by financial speculators who - quite simply - are gambling on the
> futures market rather than places on the Strip that someone mentioned.
> Without those speculators there might not be enough liquidity to
> allow producers and consumers to hedge the oil price. And as for
> the statement about the futures market being reserved for transactors
> in physical oil, no no no.......
Oil: Major Short Squeeze Around the Corner?
If on the other hand OPEC is clear and says it like it is; i.e. they state (1) an intention to cut production capacity (i.e. no new production enhancing investment), (2) demand and supply are well balanced before the cuts, save perhaps the need for a minor inventory drawdown being required and (3) the cuts in production are intended to uplift prices towards an equilibrium price level; then oil should rally strongly. Hopefully, speculative excess will not drive it to sensless levels once again.
Expect OPEC to Cut Production
One reason for falling full faith is rising deficits. As it happens, US deficits are now reaching record levels; excluding 1944-1951 (WW2 impact), when the US deficit peaked at nearly 120% of real GDP, we will be at all time highs.
Now remember, the market is forward looking. Oil prices traded at irrational levels as the $ weakened in response to a rising deficit expectation. I feel the deficit will rise further throughout 2009. But now it has reached levels from where the expectations will lean towards falling deficits over time - particularly in an Obama government. So $ should remain firm and strengthen - this does not mean commodities will fall in value; all it means is the reason for rising commodities will not include a falling $!
On Dec 07 10:55 PM samerca wrote:
> not as informed as most on these boards so a quick question--I've
> been curious, what would a dollar collapse/depreciation do to the
> $ price of oil? Thanks.
Why Smart Money Should Buy Dell
Mind you since I wrote this post the market has created a fair few opportunities with better FCF growth potentials in basic materials and energy. Provided of course that EM's continue to grow long term.
On Dec 05 08:36 PM mannheim wrote:
> What definition of "FCF" are you using with those numbers? If I use
> FCF = Net Inc + Depr&Amort - CapEx - Cost of Stock Options, I
> get $1.81 (1/30/08), $1.70, $2.04, $1.71, $1.47 (1/30/04), which
> puts the 5-yr avg at $1.75...am I missing something here? (all share
> counts are 1,960 million) This might be mice-nuts, but "inquiring
> minds want to know"...
>
> I'm torn on Dell, because it does have tremendous FCF growth potential.
> However, the present and future of the PC business is increasingly
> laptop-driven, which diminishes the value of Dell's marvelous supply
> chain. At the same time HP has improved their supply chain, further
> eating into Dell's moat, so much so, that I think these companies
> for all intents and purposes are at parity. (from the manufacturing
> perspective) In addition to altering their business model, they
> need to improve the quality of their consumer products, to Jake's
> point. They have a lot on their plate...
>
> Longer term, I'm also concerned about any competitive advantage they
> could re-establish. If you look out 10 yrs, there's a good probability
> of multiple emergent Asian suppliers that could become the lowest
> cost producers in an increasingly commoditizing business.
>
> Given these risks, it seems that any valuation would have to discount
> appropriately. I don't know if the probabilities can realistically
> be well-estimated. This might be a case of "too hard"...
OPEC and Production Cuts: Why Now's the Time to Buy
On Dec 04 01:41 AM M3 wrote:
> Good aricle. But the whole basis for your arguement is that USD60/bbl-USD75/bbl
> is the price needed to cover the marginal cost of production for
> the additional 7mbd needed now to keep the world running. Why would
> you think its USD60-75/bbl and not lower like USD30-45/bbl? Oil fields
> keep pretty tight-lipped about production costs so the actual marginal
> costs are anyone's guess. However, its a fact that a lot of the increases
> in production that is coming online now were based on oil prices
> forecasts of USD30-45/bbl made 10 years ago. Not alot of people had
> the vision back then that oil would go this far up (especially when
> oil was trading at around USD15-20/bbl). USD60-75/bbl might be needed
> for future projects but those that will be coming online in the next
> 2 years definately have lower costs. Hence, although prices probably
> won't go too far down, it might be 2-3 years before they rebound
> to the USD70's/bbl level.
OPEC and Production Cuts: Why Now's the Time to Buy
On Dec 02 02:37 PM mannheim wrote:
> Why are the Oilfield Services companies like SLB higher risk?